Less than a day after California Attorney General Xavier Becerra issued 15 felony charges against David Daleiden for recording supposedly “confidential” conversations with Planned Parenthood staffers in 2015, the investigative journalist has released yet another damning undercover video.
The video features a conversation between a still-undercover David Daleiden and former Medical Director of Planned Parenthood Arizona Dr. DeShawn Taylor. The graphic discussion is mostly about obtaining intact human heads from aborted babies, and includes a shocking suggestion by Taylor: When a baby exits the womb still showing “signs of life,” it is “key” for the person performing the abortion to “pay attention to who’s in the room,” since Arizona state law forbids “any maneuvers after the fact to try to cause demise.”
Daleiden Didn’t Record a “Confidential” Conversation: Planned Parenthood Welcomed Him as a Baby-Parts Shopper
At the beginning of the video, Planned Parenthood Federation of America Senior Director of Medical Services Dr. Deborah Nucatola gives opening remarks at a “networking” event where abortion providers and “tissue” buyers are mingling. “I basically spend this reception running around introducing people to other people,” Nucatola tells her audience. “And that’s exactly why this meeting was created.”
The video then cuts to Nucatola personally introducing Daleiden and his colleague to Dr. DeShawn Taylor. “I have an abortion clinic in Arizona,” says Taylor. “Which is exactly why I brought these two gentlemen over,” Nucatola says.
Daleiden introduces himself as a representative of a company that does “tissue collection.” Nodding, Nucatola helpfully adds “And they’re looking for, Arizona as an area where they might be able to collaborate.”
“Oh cool!” exclaims Taylor.
Nucatola then leaves Daleiden and Taylor as they settle into an explicit conversation about body part procurement.
It’s “Key” for Abortionists to Make Sure Nobody Sees them Break the Law
When Daleiden says he is interested in tissue that is “pretty intact,” Taylor says that since she does dismemberment abortions, “we’d have to kinda talk about exactly what it is that you’re needing….”
“Part of the issue is, it’s not a matter of how I feel about it coming out intact,” Taylor continues. “But I gotta worry about my staff and, you know, people’s feelings about it coming out looking like a baby. …So yeah, that becomes an issue.”
Here, Daleiden explicitly asks if Taylor has ever had a case that “wants to come out intact” but she has to “make sure it doesn’t” so the staff doesn’t “freak out.” Nodding affirmatively, Taylor answers, “That’s one, and another issue is Arizona is so conservative, I just don’t even want to send a full fetus to, for cremation or any of that…”
“We have the people who do our paperwork for the fetal death certificates,” Taylor complains. “They email us calling them ‘babies’. Baby this, baby that, baby so-and-so. And I’m like, that’s creepy!”
Asked if she uses digoxin to terminate the fetus’s life, Taylor answers yes, starting at “20 weeks.” When Daleiden tells her this poison “ruins” the fetal body parts, Taylor exclaims “Oh, I mean—so the thing is, it’s really, and then that’s really an issue, because in Arizona, if the fetus comes out with any signs of life, we’re supposed to transport it. To the hospital.”
When Daleiden asks if there is “any standard procedure for verifying signs of life,” Taylor’s first response is “I mean the key is, you need to pay attention to who’s in the room, right?” With a sidelong glance and a grin, Taylor continues “…the thing is the law states that you’re not supposed to do any maneuvers after the fact to try to cause demise.”
“…It’s really tricky,” Taylor says. “Most of the time we [use digoxin], and it usually works. And then we don’t have to worry about that because Arizona State law says if any, if there’s any signs of life, then we’re supposed to transport them.”
Crushing Babies’ Heads is the Norm, But Planned Parenthood Could Try Not To If There’s Money In It
After complaining that “after 20 weeks,” performing abortions is hard on her biceps (it takes “more force”), Taylor notes that the “breech” or feet-first birth position “makes it a lot easier.” But even then there has to be some “decompression of the calvarium for it to come out,” Taylor says. In plain English: The babies’ heads have to be crushed.
So in order for Taylor to be able to provide an “intact” baby head, “the patient is going to have to go into labor,” she concludes. “Because generally, you know, especially in a breech presentation, everything’s going to come out and then the head’s going to get trapped.” When this happens, Taylor says she would normally “just take forceps and, you know, do the rest.” While there would usually be some crushing of the head, Taylor tells her would-be “buyer” that nonetheless “I think it’s worthwhile to explore.”
Daleiden explains that his firm will make sure she is compensated for providing baby heads. “…we return a portion of our researcher fees to the clinics, and private practices that work with us. Just ’cause, if we’re going to come in and do all this that we want to make it worth it, you know worthwhile for you, and make sure that it’s a partnership that benefits everybody.”
“Yeah, I’m absolutely, I’m definitely interested,” says Taylor.
“It is Very Interesting to See How It All Plays Out.” Is California’s Attorney General a Paid Flack for Planned Parenthood?
Media Research Center’s Ashley Rae Goldberg reported today that California Attorney General Xavier Becerra’s relationship with Planned Parenthood “isn’t anything new:”
Before becoming attorney general, Becerra received money from Planned Parenthood during his congressional runs. According to opensecrets.org, Becerra received $1,035 from Planned Parenthood in 1998. In 2002, he received $1,000 from Planned Parenthood; in 2004, Becerra received $500 from Planned Parenthood, in 2012, Becerra received $2,000 from Planned Parenthood, and in 2014, he received $1,000.
“I feel pretty good,” Dr. DeShawn Taylor told Daleiden after their business discussion. “I mean my market share of the abortion services just—it continues to increase so …. It is very interesting to see how it all plays out.”
Taylor’s musings about profit seem obvious coming from an abortionist in a conversation about the buying and selling of baby body parts. But in another way, perhaps the California Attorney General could say the same.
Watch the Center for Medical Progress Video Here: